Tran­script of Radio Show: Amer­i­ca at a Turn­ing Point — Plu­to and Nep­tune in 2020 and 2021

Our main top­ic today is about the cor­re­spon­dence of ener­gies or res­o­nances regard­ing the plan­ets in terms of their orbital paths, and how long they take to make a cir­cuit around the Sun. The plan­ets form these def­i­nite ratios with one anoth­er, and it is inter­est­ing that the out­er plan­ets of Uranus, Nep­tune, and Plu­to form a ratio of one to two to three.

In oth­er words, Uranus’ orbit is about 84 years and you dou­ble that rough­ly to get to Nep­tune’s orbit of 164 years, and then by three times that we have the orbit of Plu­to which is 245. It is not an exact 1 to 2 to 3, but just like we humans, the plan­ets are indi­vid­u­als too, and they speed up and slow down and bob­ble and weave just like we do. So, every­thing is not a per­fect one thing or anoth­er, but indi­vid­u­at­ed and indi­vid­ual in nature.

But we find this gen­er­al ratio cor­re­spond­ing to many things. Because of these ratios, the plan­ets line up with them­selves, (and with the plan­ets in any chart), and they will have a res­o­nance or har­mon­ic of meet­ing up at the same times or off­set by a cer­tain amount of time, which will rein­force their mes­sag­ing. I found it kind of fas­ci­nat­ing that right now we have in the USA chart two big align­ments hap­pen­ing simul­ta­ne­ous­ly, over­lap­ping with one anoth­er, which they have done in the past.

Plu­to
I have been talk­ing, as you know, quite a bit about Plu­to and in many episodes, and that from 2008 to 2024 Plu­to is march­ing through Capri­corn, (and it has not been back there for 240 years) and indeed this is this what is com­ing up here in 2021 and 2022, which will be Pluto’s return to the USA Plu­to which is the first time it has hap­pened, so it is big.

If we look at Plu­to lin­ing up with Plu­to, and because we have Mer­cury oppo­site to Plu­to in our Natal chart for the USA, there is a res­o­nance of this hap­pen­ing through­out our his­to­ry that seems to deal with our ques­tion about how we think of our­selves (Mer­cury) and how we deal with these ques­tions of val­ue, and in our capac­i­ty to have con­trol, self-con­trol or be under the con­trol of oth­ers (Plu­to).

For instance, if I was to look at this his­tor­i­cal­ly, Plu­to kept mov­ing along after the birth of our coun­try in 1776 and formed its first major aspect to itself and to Mer­cury which hap­pened in the late 1840s into the 1850s. That is when this coun­try was grap­pling with ques­tions about how we were going to devel­op in terms of our econ­o­my and cul­ture, as we were mov­ing towards a crit­i­cal divi­sion between a freer sys­tem in the North and a slaved base sys­tem in the South, that a strug­gle was form­ing in our coun­try between a slave or free econ­o­my, and whether new states would be admit­ted as either slave or free.

When we flash for­ward to the 1930s, that is when Plu­to is oppo­site to Plu­to and con­junct Mer­cury. That is what we have in the 1930s and FDR and the New Deal, and there is once again a restate­ment of eco­nom­ic, polit­i­cal, and cul­tur­al life.

We flash for­ward again to when Plu­to squares to Plu­to and Plu­to squares Mer­cury, and that was in the ear­ly 1980s and that is the era of Rea­gan, where the mod­el set in place in the late 1930s into the 1940s was bro­ken, and we had a new way of divid­ing up the wealth and well-being of our coun­try between the var­i­ous sectors.

That brings us to our time, and here in 2020 and 2021 and 2022, Plu­to again lines up with Plu­to and Plu­to lines up with Mer­cury, and again we are address­ing the same ques­tion: Is our soci­ety based upon a clear divi­sion that is equi­table and mean­ing­ful between the dif­fer­ent sec­tors and how they share in the wealth of this coun­try, or have we reached a break­ing point in terms of how unequal the bal­ance is between those who have and those who have not?

Nep­tune
Well, fold­ing that into some­thing else we can look at the pat­tern­ing as revealed by the plan­et Nep­tune. Nep­tune is extreme­ly impor­tant in a chart. (Plu­to rules the will in the sense of integri­ty, and are we respect­ing our own space and keep­ing our­selves with integri­ty in our own inter­nal spir­i­tu­al space, and equal­ly respect­ing and not infring­ing or vio­lat­ing or tres­pass­ing upon the space of oth­ers). Nep­tune is the prin­ci­ple of our vision and dream, of our spir­i­tu­al self. The dream of Amer­i­ca, of any­one, is held by the plan­et Nep­tune. When it is lin­ing up with itself, we are ques­tion­ing or ask­ing, “what is the dream of America?”

We start with Nep­tune in Vir­go in the USA chart, right at the top of the chart, so it is part of this dream struc­ture that is quite strong, and we go from 1776 and by the late 1850s and Nep­tune is oppo­site to Nep­tune. And, we are deal­ing with the first great exam­ple of our coun­try, of com­ing to a head over this divi­sion, will we be a “slave coun­try” or will we be a “free coun­try”? The dream of Amer­i­ca is split between two dif­fer­ent soci­eties, North and South.

And there were great debates and strug­gles over that. And, of course, the great­est speech or one of the great­est speech­es ever giv­en at that time, and peo­ple refer to this again and again through­out our his­to­ry since then, was Lin­col­n’s great “house divid­ed speech” dur­ing the Lincoln/Douglas debates when he was run­ning for Senate.

Abra­ham Lin­coln - “A house Divided”
So, I would just like to quote him in terms of what he was faced with at that time, what the coun­try was faced with at that time, which of course is like our time. Because what is hap­pen­ing here in 2020, in 2020 and 2021 and 2022, Nep­tune is once again oppo­site our Nep­tune. And just like then these words hold true, and the words of Lin­coln are:

“…a house divid­ed against itself can­not stand. I believe this gov­ern­ment can­not endure per­ma­nent­ly half slave and half free. I do not expect the union to be dis­solved, I do not expect the house to fall, but I do expect it will cease to be divid­ed. It will either become all one thing or all the oth­er. Either the oppo­nents of slav­ery will arrest the fur­ther spread of it and place it where the pub­lic mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ulti­mate extinc­tion or its advo­cates will push it for­ward till it shall become law­ful in all the states, old as well as new, North as well as South.”

And here we find our­selves in the begin­ning of the 2020s, with a coun­try that seems utter­ly divid­ed between cities and the rur­al states, between peo­ple of mixed back­grounds and diver­si­ty and peo­ple who are iden­ti­fy­ing as “white”. And so, we are strug­gling once again with the iden­ti­ty of Amer­i­ca, what is the dream of this coun­try, what shall we do with this dream, is cer­tain­ly some­thing that we are strug­gling with now, just as our great ances­tors strug­gled in their time with their great division.

I hope and believe it will not be resolved by war; I do believe we can find a way through with a call­ing to, as Lin­coln said, “the angels of our bet­ter nature”, but it is cer­tain­ly a time where we see divi­sions with­in and between one anoth­er that are grow­ing and mount­ing. It has reached such a the point where, as Nep­tune would say, “we are all con­fused, we are all dis­il­lu­sioned, and we are sim­ply not under­stand­ing one anoth­er”, because some of the basic fram­ing and visions, the par­a­digms that we are liv­ing through in these dif­fer­ent cul­tures and sub­cul­tures do not hold together.

E Pluribus Unum — Out of Many, One
We must find our way back to com­mon­ly held views or an agree­ment upon what is com­mon to us, in order bring us togeth­er in this time of great divi­sion and mis­un­der­stand­ing. Whether we can do so or not depends on you and I and every­one else reach­ing across that divide and find­ing ways in which we can work togeth­er to make it bet­ter for one and all; to real­ize that there are more things that we hold togeth­er than hold us apart.

But we are cer­tain­ly being divid­ed from one anoth­er and framed that way by var­i­ous instru­ments and vehi­cles of the mod­ern age, and these are mak­ing use of that divi­sion for their own prof­it and well-being. We must not suc­cumb to that siren call of divi­sion and of mak­ing the oth­er “the oth­er”, but we must see that every­one for the most part wants what we want, and we need to find a way to do that.

Plu­to and Neptune
I would point to anoth­er great moment in our his­to­ry, also when Plu­to was lined up with Mer­cury and Plu­to, and when Nep­tune was lined up also; it was when the Nep­tune con­junc­tion occurred. So, we had Nep­tune start­ing in Vir­go, and it reach­es its first oppo­si­tion to itself that was the great divide of the Civ­il War and it came around back to itself and we had a Nep­tune con­junc­tion, a return of Nep­tune in the late 1930s when FDR was in office. Roo­sevelt put out as one of his great state­ments on how we should try to build a bet­ter world, over­com­ing the divi­sions of the time, between Fas­cism and Social­ism, and the wars that ensued. What he talked about was our need to work at devel­op­ing and hold­ing to the “Four Freedoms”.

FDR and the Four Free­doms – Free­dom from Fear
The Four Free­doms for him were: First is Free­dom of Speech and Expres­sion, and he said for “every­where in the world”; the Sec­ond Free­dom is for every per­son to wor­ship God in their own way, every­where in the world; the third is Free­dom from Want which trans­lat­ed into world terms means eco­nom­ic under­stand­ings which will secure to every nation a healthy peace­time life for its inhab­i­tants, every­where in the world; and his great­est call­ing, of course, and it res­onates down the halls of his­to­ry, the fourth free­dom is the Free­dom from Fear, which trans­lates into world terms means a world­wide reduc­tion of arma­ments, of weapons of war, to such a point that in such a thor­ough fash­ion that no nation will be in a posi­tion to com­mit an act of phys­i­cal aggres­sion against any neigh­bor, any­where in the world.

Well, I know we are far from that free­dom from fear, but it is a goal, it is a dream that we should hold dear in our hearts if we are going to make it through these upcom­ing years. Because cer­tain­ly the world we know is falling apart, and it is not com­plete­ly lost, the world we had. We must pre­serve, pro­tect, and main­tain the val­ues, the struc­tures, and the insti­tu­tions that are still viable and car­ry­ing out their nec­es­sary duties of meet­ing one anoth­er’s needs, which is what we use them for. But cer­tain­ly, right now, we are deal­ing with the shat­ter­ing of our con­sen­sus and under­stand­ing of what our life is to be based upon.

Life, Lib­er­ty and the Pur­suit of Happiness
Much like our ances­tors faced the divi­sion between North and South, we face a divi­sion with­in our­selves and with­in our com­mu­ni­ties, and through­out this coun­try that must be addressed. And it must be addressed by hold­ing high to the ideals that we found­ed this coun­try upon; that we are here in a com­mon fel­low­ship, pledg­ing our­selves to one anoth­er, our “Life, Lib­er­ty and the pur­suit of Happiness”.

We must pre­serve, as much as we can, all Life and pro­tect it; we must have Lib­er­ty, which means to nev­er infringe upon the rights of any oth­er and to hold each oth­er sacred in terms of our sacred selves; to pur­sue Hap­pi­ness which means to encour­age and make pos­si­ble the means by which every per­son is able to meet the great­est degree of their own self-real­iza­tion and self-fulfillment.

Hap­pi­ness is not hav­ing more things, it is being your­self and being able to reach the finest expres­sion of that self by liv­ing in com­mu­ni­ties, by work­ing with one and for anoth­er, so that we cel­e­brate our diver­si­ty, cel­e­brate our indi­vid­u­al­i­ty, and we do not deny or den­i­grate it.

This is the dream of Amer­i­ca and Nep­tune rules our dreams. And right now, we are con­fronting what will be the dream or the restate­ment of dream that will get us through these dark times. I am always hope­ful, that in the long run every­thing is going to work out, but I know things looked dark right now. And every­one should be remind­ed that our ances­tors went through very dark times indeed and they came through it shin­ing, by build­ing a bet­ter world.

We are not done yet of course there is a lot of work to be done but this is our hour to stand and shine for truth, for love, and for one another.