2024-10-13 Radio Show Transcript — The Winds of Spirit are shifting, 2025 and beyond

The Winds of Spir­it are shift­ing, so what lies ahead in 2025?

(If you wish to lis­ten to the show instead, here is the link on BlogTalk or Apple Pod­casts)

In our last show we took a look at the US Pres­i­den­tial can­di­dates. Today, I thought we should pull back from our “here and now”, so that we might look fur­ther out in time to the larg­er shapers, influ­encers and guides of our present, to con­sid­er the spir­i­tu­al forges of our future, the out­er plan­e­tary changes that are arriv­ing in 2025 and beyond.

It is cer­tain­ly evi­dent that the “winds of spir­it” are chang­ing next year, as the plan­e­tary shifts in both sign posi­tions and their align­ments with one anoth­er are, well, they are quite remark­able. It is not com­mon to have more than one or two out­er plan­ets change sign posi­tions in the same year. But in 2025, we are going to expe­ri­ence all of the out­er plan­ets tran­si­tion­ing from one sign to anoth­er. That is just sim­ply not some­thing that hap­pens nor­mal­ly, and it cer­tain­ly means that some great changes are before us now.

Here are the Astrol­o­gy Sign shifts in our plan­e­tary brethren dur­ing 2025 into 2026:

Plu­to com­pletes its tran­si­tion from Capri­corn, where it has been since 2008 into Aquar­ius, where it will remain until 2044.

Nep­tune, tran­si­tion­ing from Pisces where it has been since 2011 into Aries, where it will remain until 2039.

Uranus, tran­si­tion­ing from Tau­rus where it has been since 2018 into Gem­i­ni, where it will remain until 2033.

Sat­urn, tran­si­tion­ing from Pisces where it has been since 2023 into Aries, where it will remain until 2028.

That is quite an unprece­dent­ed series of shifts for these lords of time and space, and I will go through them to explain the mean­ing for each of them, and also con­sid­er their inter­re­la­tion­ship with one anoth­er too.

PLUTO
The move of Plu­to from Capri­corn to Aquar­ius seems most con­se­quen­tial to me. From 2008 until now, we have wit­nessed Pluto’s influ­ence chal­leng­ing the insti­tu­tion­al order of our world. Whether in the root insti­tu­tions of fam­i­ly struc­tures, or in com­mu­ni­ties, and on up to cor­po­ra­tions and nations, the world order that began when Plu­to was last in the sign of Aries, from 1823 to 1853 had reached its lim­it of integri­ty and sus­tain­abil­i­ty. After this strug­gle to main­tain, reform and/or tear down this order of real­i­ty, we are left with two more peri­ods of Pluto’s orbit before we will tru­ly cre­ate and enter our next new world.

Yes, we will have Plu­to in Aquar­ius from 2025 to 2044, which can be likened to what hap­pened before from 1778 to 1798, and in the cycle before that from 1532 to 1553. It is the pur­pose of this phase in Aquar­ius for the world to work through and strug­gle over the ideals and dreams of the future, to work towards a new social order, a new form of com­mu­ni­ty. These chal­lenges of build­ing a new world will lead to con­flicts over what kind of future human­i­ty will make for itself.

With Plu­to rul­ing the Will and the root pow­er of Alche­my, the strug­gle in Capri­corn over the old order is one kind of bat­tle, with the choice between to tear down or to pre­serve what had been the order since 1823. But now we will enter in Aquar­ius the strug­gle over the kind of future we wish to be part of, what kind of soci­ety and cul­ture do we yearn for and seek to estab­lish, and this will be the main issue over the next 20 years. It is not insignif­i­cant for us that the last time Plu­to was in Aquar­ius, the sign of social con­scious­ness and con­science, humans expe­ri­enced the Amer­i­can Rev­o­lu­tion and the French Rev­o­lu­tion, where there was a fun­da­men­tal restate­ment of what it means to be in a human soci­ety. In the Unit­ed States we stat­ed that “All Men are Cre­at­ed Equal”, and in France, there was the “Dec­la­ra­tion of the Rights of Man and of the Cit­i­zen”. The lib­er­al sys­tem of cul­tur­al and polit­i­cal order was found­ed in this peri­od, and what we are now faced with is quite sim­ply our attempt to begin to estab­lish a new kind or type of soci­ety and insti­tu­tion­al order, which is as yet unknown and unnamed.

But then, there is one more final phase, which is Plu­to in Pisces, and that will be from 2044 to 2068, which we can liken to what hap­pened from 1798 to 1823. This is the final phase of Plu­to, and we will turn to the fun­da­men­tal ques­tion of our faith in one anoth­er and face our fear of the unknown, and we will reach the final strug­gle to cre­ate a new world order, as we restore our faith and enter a new world of Will when Plu­to enters Aries in 2068. What will hap­pen dur­ing this final phase of Plu­to in Pisces?

Well, what hap­pened in that pre­vi­ous final phase of Plu­to from 1798 to 1823? It was for Europe, the attempt by Napolean Bona­parte to impose this new lib­er­al order by means of force, a lib­er­al Empire achieved through wars in West­ern Europe, East­ern Europe, Africa, and final­ly but dis­as­trous­ly, and quite right­ly too, giv­en his very anti-lib­er­al pur­suit of impos­ing free­dom upon oth­ers, end­ing in his self-defeat by his attempt to “lib­er­ate” Rus­sia by conquest.

Per­haps we, and our descen­dants, will learn from these lessons of his­to­ry, and much will depend upon what kind of world we will begin to cre­ate from 2024 to 2044.

NEPTUNE
Since 2011, the bound­aries between all realms or dimen­sions have become much more per­me­able and translu­cent as Nep­tune moved through the realm that it rules, Pisces. The gen­er­al per­cep­tions of what it real, the agree­ments and under­stand­ings about real­i­ty among and between humans became very hard to deter­mine and hold togeth­er, as the lines between facts and fic­tions, between truths, half-truths and lies, dis­solved to such an extent that we now live in a world where “any­thing is pos­si­ble, and noth­ing is true”. Indi­vid­u­als, groups and whole soci­eties have tak­en it upon them­selves to be the arbiters of fact and fic­tion, and illu­sions and delu­sions have per­me­at­ed the minds and hearts of many.

Now, as Nep­tune enters the sign of Aries, we will begin a new cycle of Nep­tune that will con­tin­ue until 2039 when it enters Tau­rus. What might this mean for us? Will the chaos and con­fu­sion of our recent pass give way to cer­tain­ty and progress, or might that fire of Aries lead to extremes of pas­sions and stri­dent bat­tles over what is tru­ly true?

If we look at our time of Nep­tune in Pisces from 2011 to 2026 and com­pare it to the pre­vi­ous pas­sage on Nep­tune in Pisces from 1847 to 1862, we will find res­o­nances with our time. And per­haps we can then look at the pre­vi­ous pas­sage of Nep­tune in Aries from 1862 to 1875 and see how that might give us some indi­ca­tion for what lies ahead.

The 1847 pas­sage of Nep­tune in Pisces began with a series of “rev­o­lu­tions” in Europe in 1848, which were most­ly con­tained or reversed, not unlike in our own peri­od with the so-called “Arab Spring” rev­o­lu­tions of 2011, which also were turned back by reac­tionary forces, and the promise of more pow­er of and for “the peo­ple” failed to real­ize its poten­tial. Dur­ing the 1850’s in the USA, we expe­ri­enced the ris­ing strug­gle over abo­li­tion, of indi­vid­u­als and com­mu­ni­ties bat­tling for and against slav­ery as in “bloody Kansas” and oth­er scenes of strug­gle, ulti­mate­ly cul­mi­nat­ing in our Civ­il War. So, what did the entry of Nep­tune into Aries bring?

The pas­sage of Nep­tune in Aries from 1862 to 1875 was con­se­quen­tial for much of the world. Aries is the spir­i­tu­al ves­sel or seed for the new and the renewed, it cer­tain­ly seems to have sig­naled that around the world. In Japan, the Mei­ji Restora­tion brought about the con­sol­i­da­tion of Japan under impe­r­i­al rule, and pro­pelled Japan upon the path towards moder­ni­ty, turn­ing it from a feu­dal king­dom into a for­mi­da­ble indus­tri­al pow­er in a mat­ter of decades. In the Amer­i­c­as, the Civ­il War was won by the north, and as Lin­coln declared, a rebirth or renew­al of the dream of the Unit­ed States had begun. In Europe, Ger­many uni­fied as a coun­try after the Fran­co-Pruss­ian War, and around the world the march towards indus­tri­al­iza­tion led to the pro­lif­er­a­tion of labor unions, to the strug­gle for fair pay and bet­ter con­di­tions of work in the ever-expand­ing man­u­fac­tur­ing cen­ters around the world, and these devel­op­ments also sparked the move of vast major­i­ty of peo­ple away from liv­ing in an agrar­i­an and rur­al lifestyle and into the rise of major cities and urban culture.

We can­not know, but per­haps we might be able to imag­ine what our post-indus­tri­al world is about to move into, what seeds of the new or renew­al we might see in our Nep­tune in Aries pas­sage from now until 2039. Most evi­dent to me, of course, is that we will be faced with the task of trans­form­ing the means of meet­ing our needs into a sus­tain­able future for us, and tru­ly for all oth­er life-forms that are the light and the love of our dear plan­et. For what we have come to know, and it real­ly is part of the eter­nal jour­ney of spir­it in all the sparks of the divine, in all their lives, realms and worlds that fill the cos­mos, we have come to the truth that every part of cre­ation is relat­ed to every oth­er part. That it is by our wis­dom and humil­i­ty and love for all of Spir­it-Life-Con­scious­ness that we must find our way to being tru­ly human, to live by love for all of Cre­ation, and that this is the one true path of spir­i­tu­al awak­en­ing and redemption.

I would like to note here some­thing that I have men­tioned before, with regards to the nature of the rela­tion­ship of the orbits of Plu­to and Nep­tune with one anoth­er. In every pas­sage of Plu­to in Capri­corn, Nep­tune is either in Vir­go, or Nep­tune is in Pisces, as it is now. And this is also true for Plu­to in Aquar­ius as well, that either Nep­tune is in Libra, or as it will be in our time, Nep­tune will be in Aries. That means that if we con­sid­er the mean­ings formed by Plu­to and Nep­tune togeth­er, our peri­od of 2024 to 2044 will be more like the mid 1500’s than the late 1700’s. And that peri­od of the mid-1500’s is con­sid­ered by his­to­ri­ans, espe­cial­ly con­sid­er­ing Europe but also in oth­er places around the world, that it was the time when the world as we know it now, what we call the mod­ern world, first began to take form. I believe that this means that what we are mov­ing into now is the end of what we have known as our “mod­ern world”, and that we are going to mov­ing into a very dif­fer­ent type of world indeed, what should be a tru­ly “new world”.

URANUS
Let us now bring into this mix the influ­ence of Uranus, which I like to call “The Awak­en­er”. Since 2018, Uranus has been mov­ing through the sign of Tau­rus, which it did also from 1935 to 1942, and 1851 to 1859, and 1768 to 1775. Uranus holds the prin­ci­ple of Indi­vid­u­al­i­ty, with its influ­ence being brought to bear in a man­ner so that a more con­fined or lim­it­ed form of real­iza­tion can be tran­scend­ed. Because the essen­tial pur­pose behind cre­ation, at the core of spir­i­tu­al unfold­ment is the insis­tent, irre­sistible imper­a­tive which is “to be and become”, forged by the unique spark of the divine that resides in every speck and mote of Cre­ation. For all of Cre­ation, for all that is which is Spir­it-Life-Con­scious­ness, the third prin­ci­ple of Cre­ation holds us, one and all, to the path of becom­ing a tru­ly unique or quin­tes­sen­tial form of expres­sion of the One True Light.

With regards to Uranus’ pas­sage through Tau­rus, it was for us at this time, as it did in the late 1930’s, and the 1850’s, and the ear­ly 1770’s, it was the pur­pose of Uranus to elic­it and her­ald a rev­o­lu­tion in the hier­ar­chies of val­ue, in how we humans val­ue one anoth­er, as well as how we val­ue the world around us. Now Uranus’ pas­sage through Gem­i­ni will bring an elic­i­ta­tion of trans­for­ma­tion and change to the are­na of mind and thought, to all the innu­mer­able ways we con­nect with­in and around our­selves, trans­form­ing how and what we think, what we believe, which will form and shape our inten­tions and actions for the next 7 years.

Uranus will move into Gem­i­ni, begin­ning in 2025, though it will go back and forth into Tau­rus dur­ing the year, to final­ly remain in Gem­i­ni from 2026 until 2033. The most recent pre­vi­ous pas­sages in Gem­i­ni are 1942 to 1949, 1859 to 1866, and 1775 to 1782. It is sure­ly not­ed by many of you, I am sure, that those three peri­ods for the USA, and for the world gen­er­al­ly, were very con­se­quen­tial. After all, great world events shat­tered and rearranged the world in these peri­ods, as in World War II, our Civ­il War and our Rev­o­lu­tion­ary War. That does not mean that we are fat­ed to expe­ri­ence anoth­er great dis­rup­tion in our time, for I do believe we are capa­ble of respond­ing to the ener­gy-forms with­in and around us in a man­ner of our own choosing.

But we would be ignor­ing the lessons of his­to­ry, and of our present self-made human con­di­tions, to be so blind­ly self-assured as to assume that we are more advanced and aware than our ances­tors, and that we will not, as they did, face some great dis­rup­tion again. We can hope, and we should make every effort to turn towards one anoth­er with under­stand­ing and love and try to heal and restore our­selves and our plan­et, to work with these plan­e­tary influ­ences in the most pos­i­tive way that we can.

But to do so, we must remem­ber these very con­di­tions that we face now, it is we who have made them, some by inten­tion but many were not, and main­ly because of a lack of under­stand­ing and humil­i­ty with regard to how we have fueled our mod­ern life through an unsus­tain­able means of liv­ing. Now, with vast pop­u­la­tions being uproot­ed by the forces we have unleashed, the cri­sis we call “cli­mate change” has forged a tsuna­mi of dis­cord and fear that is ris­ing among a vast major­i­ty of humans.

But it was those very crises that accom­pa­nied Uranus in the 1700’s, the 1800’s and the 1900’s, it was by those chal­lenges that test­ed sys­tems and shat­tered old ways of think­ing, it was this that pro­duced or led to a new con­scious­ness, to new thoughts and bet­ter under­stand­ings. And that is what will hap­pen to us as well. Uranus in Gem­i­ni is pre­cise­ly the time for think­ing beyond our old assump­tions, to show that our true intel­li­gence is found by free­ing our minds from the self-cast shad­ows of cer­tain­ties and fears that divide us from with­in, and equal­ly divide us from one anoth­er too.

SATURN
Final­ly, we have Sat­urn, which just like Nep­tune is spend­ing 2025 going back and forth between the end of Pisces and the begin­ning of Aries, and this sets up some­thing that is quite remark­able for this piv­otal year, and I do believe, may pro­vide some greater mea­sure of hope for how we will meet our moment of des­tiny. All the out­er plan­ets, from Plu­to to Sat­urn, all of them will be form­ing a beau­ti­ful pat­tern of inter­re­la­tion­ship with each oth­er dur­ing 2025. All of the out­er plan­ets will be aligned in one third of space, 120 degrees of the Zodi­ac, from the per­spec­tive of Earth, from Plu­to at the begin­ning of Aquar­ius at one end, to Uranus at the begin­ning of Gem­i­ni at the oth­er, and exact­ly mid­way between them, we will have Sat­urn and Nep­tune at the begin­ning of Aries.

This is some­thing spe­cial, and the Astro­log­i­cal name for it is a Sex­tile-Trine-Sex­tile, with our exam­ple being the Trine or 120 degrees between Plu­to and Uranus, which is anchored and made man­i­fest through the Sex­tile of 60 degrees of Plu­to to Saturn/Neptune on one side, and by the Sex­tile of Uranus to Saturn/Neptune on the oth­er side.

The defin­ing Trine of Uranus to Plu­to rep­re­sents a par­tic­u­lar moment in their 127-year cycle of rela­tion­ship, which I see as hold­ing the lessons and spir­i­tu­al ten­son between Free­dom and Free Think­ing (Uranus) ver­sus Sacred Space and Willpow­er (Plu­to). Their last cycle began at their con­junc­tion in 1965 to 1968 and reached a crit­i­cal turn­ing point at their wax­ing square in 2012 to 2015. This Trine, this moment now, can or should be a moment where we may find some way or ways of hold­ing these two prin­ci­ples togeth­er, of humans find­ing a bal­ance between Indi­vid­u­al­i­ty and Union, so that we have even Freer Minds and also pre­serve our Sacred Spaces.

And the spe­cif­ic space or place of acti­va­tion and anchor­ing of this very spe­cial moment is being formed by the begin­ning of this new Sat­urn-Nep­tune cycle, which is released by their con­junc­tion dur­ing 2025 into ear­ly 2026. Their cycle of rela­tion­ship is 36 years, with their pre­vi­ous con­junc­tions being 1989, 1952–53, 1917, and 1882. I call their cycle of rela­tion­ship as being the dance of spir­it that holds or weaves togeth­er Real­i­ty (Sat­urn) and Dreams (Nep­tune).

The Saturn/Neptune con­junc­tion in Aries rep­re­sents a moment where real­i­ty is infused with a new dream, and it can and should be equal­ly a time when a dream that seemed beyond reach becomes a real­i­ty. What this means, I believe, is that the Uranus to Plu­to trine will be mod­u­lat­ed, per­haps “blessed”, by Nep­tune form­ing a sex­tile to both of them, and equal­ly ground­ed and made man­i­fest by Saturn’s sex­tile to Uranus and Plu­to too.

The “winds of the spir­it” are chang­ing this year, and the very real chal­lenges we face, whether they be envi­ron­men­tal, tech­no­log­i­cal, or even epis­te­mo­log­i­cal, or in truth and in sum, all of these spir­i­tu­al chal­lenges have as their root cause that they were all made by us humans…and there­in lies our hope, and I believe it is where can find our faith.

The future is not writ­ten or fore­or­dained, for we are each of us forg­ing some part of it each and every moment, and we do this in that space where we only exist through­out our entire jour­ney, which is in the “eter­nal now”. The past is behind us, the future not yet made. At each moment in the eter­nal now we must be alert to what might be need­ed from us to redeem our past and make a bet­ter future too.

This is the mes­sage and les­son of Aries, the sign of new begin­nings, the sign of the eter­nal now.

What mat­ters is what you and I do next. This is the liv­ing source of our faith and of our hopes ful­filled, because we can choose, it is our choice as to how we will face and meet the next moment, and the next, and the next, and what we must do is be ful­ly present in each moment, guid­ed by car­ing inten­tions and lov­ing actions.

This is the way of spir­it; this is the way of the One.

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